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]]> By: Joshua-Michéle http://www.opposableplanets.com/change/2009/04/learning-in-the-internet-age/comment-page-1/#comment-221 Joshua-Michéle Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:43:41 +0000 http://www.opposableplanets.com/?p=414#comment-221 Hi Alora, I have been trying to summarize this concept for a long time and your post gives me a chance to do so. It goes like this, "Don't criticize new technologies for allowing old, bad behavior to continue." I see the problem you describe above as a cultural one - the teachers are not emphasizing or rewarding appropriate methods of research. Secondarily, your husband will likely be desirable to any academic institution or workplace that rewards diligence and creative thinking (I don't know him - but I am assuming from your characterization) while the other students will not have learned those skills. It has always been easier to copy than create. The technology in this case plays very little part in the equation. I get this same question when asked about social technologies, "won't they proliferate - and then I will have 4,000 wikis at work? " - The answer is likely yes - social tools solve certain problems - like communication flow, collaboration and slightly improved KM - but they don't fix every problem in an organization - they even allow some problems to continue. It can still be messy. Don't expect new technologies to fix all your old problems. If new tech can fix one or two - that is better than what you have now.... Hi Alora,
I have been trying to summarize this concept for a long time and your post gives me a chance to do so. It goes like this, “Don’t criticize new technologies for allowing old, bad behavior to continue.” I see the problem you describe above as a cultural one – the teachers are not emphasizing or rewarding appropriate methods of research. Secondarily, your husband will likely be desirable to any academic institution or workplace that rewards diligence and creative thinking (I don’t know him – but I am assuming from your characterization) while the other students will not have learned those skills. It has always been easier to copy than create. The technology in this case plays very little part in the equation.
I get this same question when asked about social technologies, “won’t they proliferate – and then I will have 4,000 wikis at work? ” – The answer is likely yes – social tools solve certain problems – like communication flow, collaboration and slightly improved KM – but they don’t fix every problem in an organization – they even allow some problems to continue. It can still be messy. Don’t expect new technologies to fix all your old problems. If new tech can fix one or two – that is better than what you have now….

]]> By: Alora http://www.opposableplanets.com/change/2009/04/learning-in-the-internet-age/comment-page-1/#comment-220 Alora Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:08:03 +0000 http://www.opposableplanets.com/?p=414#comment-220 It's interesting that you write this now, because my husband -- who is 100% old-school, hard-core academic ludite when it comes to both research and what it means to write a paper -- just had a TREMENDOUSLY frustrating experience. He's in an adult education program and had a rather exhaustive writing assignment. He got very frustrated very quickly when people started submitting their "research papers" (which get posted publicly for the entire group to see), only for it to quickly become obvious that most of his classmates simply copied-and-pasted their research into a Word document. He, of course, spent two weeks barely sleeping, and painfully researching and annotating his paper. But by the time the assignment window closed, 3 out of 10 people had done truly original work (which is a topic that makes him extremely cranky!). Given that this isn't a formal academic program, there are no repercussions from taking a short-cut approach, but what is interesting are the assumptions of all involved: to him -- as a scientist and a true academically-inclined researcher -- the idea of taking that short cut is OFFENSIVE to him. Yet others never thought twice about it. And as the whole thing was unfolding, I remember having precisely the thought you put in this title: "Since when is that NOT cheating?" It's an interesting question, and in the Information Age the boundaries around academic conventions may prove to be even bigger stickier wickets than the ones around many of the business/economic conventions that we spend so much time debating. Who knew? It’s interesting that you write this now, because my husband — who is 100% old-school, hard-core academic ludite when it comes to both research and what it means to write a paper — just had a TREMENDOUSLY frustrating experience. He’s in an adult education program and had a rather exhaustive writing assignment. He got very frustrated very quickly when people started submitting their “research papers” (which get posted publicly for the entire group to see), only for it to quickly become obvious that most of his classmates simply copied-and-pasted their research into a Word document. He, of course, spent two weeks barely sleeping, and painfully researching and annotating his paper. But by the time the assignment window closed, 3 out of 10 people had done truly original work (which is a topic that makes him extremely cranky!).

Given that this isn’t a formal academic program, there are no repercussions from taking a short-cut approach, but what is interesting are the assumptions of all involved: to him — as a scientist and a true academically-inclined researcher — the idea of taking that short cut is OFFENSIVE to him. Yet others never thought twice about it. And as the whole thing was unfolding, I remember having precisely the thought you put in this title: “Since when is that NOT cheating?”

It’s an interesting question, and in the Information Age the boundaries around academic conventions may prove to be even bigger stickier wickets than the ones around many of the business/economic conventions that we spend so much time debating. Who knew?

]]> By: Joshua-Michéle http://www.opposableplanets.com/change/2009/04/learning-in-the-internet-age/comment-page-1/#comment-211 Joshua-Michéle Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:43:01 +0000 http://www.opposableplanets.com/?p=414#comment-211 Hi Igor, Thanks for the comment. You present the flip side of the argument - that some of the constraints imposed by pen and ink culture actually had a beneficial effect on brain function. I am not a pure cheerleader saying that what we have is better across the board - but it certainly is different - and that difference is going to have a major impact on how we restructure work over the coming years. Hi Igor,
Thanks for the comment.
You present the flip side of the argument – that some of the constraints imposed by pen and ink culture actually had a beneficial effect on brain function. I am not a pure cheerleader saying that what we have is better across the board – but it certainly is different – and that difference is going to have a major impact on how we restructure work over the coming years.

]]> By: Igor Gasowski http://www.opposableplanets.com/change/2009/04/learning-in-the-internet-age/comment-page-1/#comment-208 Igor Gasowski Sun, 05 Apr 2009 18:38:36 +0000 http://www.opposableplanets.com/?p=414#comment-208 Hi Josh, It is fascinating to observe the ways kids acquire information these days and how it differs in a lot of ways from our own experiences. I still think that copying passages in long hand forced young individuals to actually absorb the information contained within. Keyword search and then copy and paste using modern methods somewhat allows bypassing the absorption of the knowledge. Thus while a lot more information is moving around - not much of it is really being absorbed by those potent young brains. I'm not advocating a return to the old methods, but I am noticing that a lot of information passes into these "compilations" without being read. As you say, kids share the links from which information could be "lifted" to a new container. And I would venture to say that they do not really share information on the subject, they do not discuss the subject matter. Hi Josh,
It is fascinating to observe the ways kids acquire information these days and how it differs in a lot of ways from our own experiences. I still think that copying passages in long hand forced young individuals to actually absorb the information contained within. Keyword search and then copy and paste using modern methods somewhat allows bypassing the absorption of the knowledge. Thus while a lot more information is moving around – not much of it is really being absorbed by those potent young brains. I’m not advocating a return to the old methods, but I am noticing that a lot of information passes into these “compilations” without being read. As you say, kids share the links from which information could be “lifted” to a new container. And I would venture to say that they do not really share information on the subject, they do not discuss the subject matter.

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